Five years after the San Bernardino terrorist attack, Tina Meins no longer cries every day for her father.

Jolene Verdehyou is able to freely talk about losing her mom.

And Robert Velasco is no longer haunted by questions about whether he could have done something to save his daughter.

But that doesn’t mean the pain is gone. Or any less.

“It still feels very raw,” Meins said of the mass shooting that took the life of her dad, Damian Meins. “Sometimes it feels like it’s been five years and sometimes it feels like it just happened.”

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